tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post6201731409116378171..comments2023-09-03T09:52:05.654-04:00Comments on <center><a href="/#banx">Freedom Light Bulb</a></center>: Lightbulb Conspiracy Documentary by Cosima DannoritzerLighthousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-86479058545376942182016-09-09T11:31:31.745-04:002016-09-09T11:31:31.745-04:00Thanks Bill
Certainly, as said, there is a gradual...Thanks Bill<br />Certainly, as said, there is a gradual tradeoff in lower brightness<br />However, as the documentary also points out (and is expanded in other Phoebus cartel explanations you can see via this or other sites) that only kicks in after 5000 hours or more.<br />Moreover, long life has advantages of its own, regarding changing bulbs etc<br />Moreover, a low purchase price is advantageous for most little used bulbs in typical 25-40 EU/US households - hardly all bulbs are of type "100 watt bulb uses $10.44 in electricity in a month"<br />Utility companies have been compensated and raise prices with reduced electricity use etc as per below link<br /><br />So, manufacturers collaborated to multiply reduce consumer choice of incandescent bulbs (including keeping out cheap longlasting varieties from communist states), a choice further reduced by banning such bulbs.<br />Besides, manufacturers hardly care about the energy usage and cost you elaborate on - rather their own sale profits.<br /><br />Ultimately it is up to governments to ensure consumer choice and set energy policies.<br />The "burning lots of coal" does not hold up either, given the off-peak time of use and base loading power plant operative factors involved<br />See the linked "How Regulations are Wrongly Justified": <br /><a href="freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/p/how-bans-are-wrongly-justified.html#energy" rel="nofollow">under Energy</a><br />Other issues you mention are also covered in other points, and referenced.Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-82748975347462096382016-09-07T21:28:13.926-04:002016-09-07T21:28:13.926-04:00The story of the Phoebus Cartel conspiracy is comp...The story of the Phoebus Cartel conspiracy is completely wrong. It was done to save consumers money and save environmental damage. Let me explain. It is simple and inexpensive to make a bulb with a much longer life than 1000 hours. But it is stupid. A 100 watt bulb uses $10.44 in electricity in a month (at 15 cents/kwh) and costs 36 cents in bulb cost (if it cost 50 cents). Design it to last 10,000 hours, and one month's bulb cost drops by a factor of ten to 3.6 cents. But it will use about 145 watts instead of 100. That's how it lasts longer. Very simple and unavoidable science. So it will use $15.87 for electricity in one month. And burn hundreds of pounds more coal to make the electricity. This is not "planned obsolescence", it is saving money and natural resources. Surprise!Bill Christiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-19867654127076113592012-09-18T17:36:51.987-04:002012-09-18T17:36:51.987-04:00Thanks Hiram,
Built-in Obsolescence, or How Consu...Thanks Hiram,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.greenewave.com/built-in-obsolescence-or-how-consumerism-beat-genius/" rel="nofollow">Built-in Obsolescence, or How Consumerism Beat Genius</a><br /><br />As you say, the makers could have made the incandescents longer lasting.<br /><br />Planned obsolescence is in my view best solved by increasing competition.<br /><br />But short lasting products like some light bulbs are also justified and not as directly linked to waste as the documentary would have it - the point is to look after the waste, to recycle properly etc, rather than just have long lasting products - there are many advantages and uses also of products that don't last, and they are nearly always cheaper.<br /><br />Computers and software though, as soon as something begins to seem OK, lo and behold like you say an "upgrade" is needed with bad initial versions, but the upgrading has to be done for all the ancillaries (themselves "upgraded") to half-function and so on...Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-32176350865846073552012-09-18T17:15:52.505-04:002012-09-18T17:15:52.505-04:00http://www.greenewave.com/built-in-obsolescence-or...http://www.greenewave.com/built-in-obsolescence-or-how-consumerism-beat-genius/<br /><br />A piece I wrote on this Hiramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09245147616349597189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-90741349258671761162012-08-30T14:49:14.529-04:002012-08-30T14:49:14.529-04:00Update Comment:
RE Halogenica: "Pity it only...Update Comment:<br /><br />RE Halogenica: "Pity it only covered the historical conspiracy and not the current. These two need to come together for it all to make sense." <br /><br />See Halogenica's own subsequent <br />tying together of light bulb manufacturer activities past and present, July 25 and other <a href="http://greenwashinglamps.wordpress.com/category/incandescent-ban/anti-lightbulb-campaign/" rel="nofollow">Greenwashing Lamps posts</a>Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-64367368049926647772012-07-17T22:10:51.809-04:002012-07-17T22:10:51.809-04:00Thanks Halogenica..
"Pity it only covered the...Thanks Halogenica..<br />"Pity it only covered the historical conspiracy and not the current. These two need to come together for it all to make sense." <br />>> good point<br /><br />"Also a pity that the filmmaker didn't see through the LED bs, but instead portrayed the young Philips as somehow breaking with tradition, when we all know that the 25 years life is probably as reliable as the CFL claimed life rate has been... and that Philips is still spearheading the ongoing conspiracy."<br />>> Yes, the "LEDS are the great new alternative" is seen more and more online, I am getting plenty of email spam about it too.<br />Yet the pushed cheap "white Leds" basically imitate CFLs in light quality and spiky spectrum output, given the phosphorescent coating light source - and as with CFLs 100W+ equivalent omnidirectional brightness remains a problem, ironic with those incandescent bulbs being the first to be banned!Lighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-30410922462675099632012-07-05T11:05:49.932-04:002012-07-05T11:05:49.932-04:00I watched this documentary when you first posted t...I watched this documentary when you first posted this. Had no time to comment then but I thought it was rather stunning, as it confirms my impression that the bulb ban really *is* a conpiracy and it puts the lighting cartel in a historical perspective that I didn't have. <br /><br />Thanks for bringing attention to this important film! Very interesting information about the filmmaker's background as well. The documentary was actually aired on Swedish TV on May 15th! <br /><br />Pity it only covered the historical conspiracy and not the current. These two need to come together for it all to make sense. <br /><br />Also a pity that the filmmaker didn't see through the LED bs, but instead portrayed the young Philips as somehow breaking with tradition, when we all know that the 25 years life is probably as reliable as the CFL claimed life rate has been... and that Philips is still spearheading the ongoing conspiracy.Halogenicahttp://greenwashinglamps.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-25532909540672215502012-05-31T08:06:28.583-04:002012-05-31T08:06:28.583-04:00interesting thank you very comprehensive
Annainteresting thank you very comprehensive <br /> AnnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-36940140112083772642012-05-30T08:31:47.804-04:002012-05-30T08:31:47.804-04:00Always thought cartel just a myth.
One of tho...Always thought cartel just a myth. <br /> One of those sayings like "they could make an everlasting bulb if they wanted to"Andy - Nebraskanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-36209971986317194512012-05-29T14:30:35.598-04:002012-05-29T14:30:35.598-04:00Thanks Sven, see link to Bulb Fiction in the
Resou...Thanks Sven, see link to Bulb Fiction in the<br /><a href="http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/p/resource-links.html" rel="nofollow">Resource links</a> page:<br /><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bulbfiction-derfilm.com/" rel="nofollow">Bulb Fiction English version</a><br />Planning to do post on them.<br />Covered a bit about them already on <a href="http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/2012/02/we-want-to-shed-more-heat-than-light.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> about "Heatballs", with photos etcLighthousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123172670211101092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1316303495378677857.post-76589448801284486752012-05-29T14:22:05.620-04:002012-05-29T14:22:05.620-04:00Interesting, also Bulb Fiction documentary deals w...Interesting, also Bulb Fiction documentary deals with it - like the Long Lasting Binninger bulb that was never manufactured<br /> http://www.bulbfiction-derfilm.com/<br /> Sven K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com